Numbered Discourses

7. The Great Chapter

Topics of Discussion

Aṅguttara Nikāya

7. Mahāvagga

Kathāvatthusutta

Numbered Discourses

7. The Great Chapter

Topics of Discussion

Aṅguttara Nikāya

7. Mahāvagga

Kathāvatthusutta

Topics of Discussion

Assessing whether someone is fit to hold a discussion.

Ruta suttaAN 3.67Sutta Piṭaka › Aṅguttara Nikāya › 3. Tikanipāta › 2. Dutiyapaṇṇāsaka › 7. Mahāvagga › Kathāvatthusutta

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Vista:

“There are, mendicants, these three topics of discussion.What three?You might discuss the past:‘That is how it was in the past.’You might discuss the future:‘That is how it will be in the future.’Or you might discuss the present:‘This is how it is at present.’

“Tīṇimāni, bhikkhave, kathāvatthūni. Katamāni tīṇi? Atītaṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘evaṁ ahosi atītamaddhānan’ti. Anāgataṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘evaṁ bhavissati anāgatamaddhānan’ti. Etarahi vā, bhikkhave, paccuppannaṁ addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannamaddhānan’ti. *evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannamaddhānan’ti → evaṁ etarahi paccuppannanti (bj, pts1ed, mr); evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannanti (sya-all, km)

“There are, mendicants, these three topics of discussion.

“Tīṇimāni, bhikkhave, kathāvatthūni.

What three?

Katamāni tīṇi?

You might discuss the past:

Atītaṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya:

‘That is how it was in the past.’

‘evaṁ ahosi atītamaddhānan’ti.

You might discuss the future:

Anāgataṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya:

‘That is how it will be in the future.’

‘evaṁ bhavissati anāgatamaddhānan’ti.

Or you might discuss the present:

Etarahi vā, bhikkhave, paccuppannaṁ addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya:

‘This is how it is at present.’

‘evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannamaddhānan’ti. *

“There are, mendicants, these three topics of discussion.“Tīṇimāni, bhikkhave, kathāvatthūni. What three?Katamāni tīṇi? You might discuss the past:Atītaṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘That is how it was in the past.’‘evaṁ ahosi atītamaddhānan’ti. You might discuss the future:Anāgataṁ vā, bhikkhave, addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘That is how it will be in the future.’‘evaṁ bhavissati anāgatamaddhānan’ti. Or you might discuss the present:Etarahi vā, bhikkhave, paccuppannaṁ addhānaṁ ārabbha kathaṁ katheyya: ‘This is how it is at present.’‘evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannamaddhānan’ti. *evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannamaddhānan’ti → evaṁ etarahi paccuppannanti (bj, pts1ed, mr); evaṁ hoti etarahi paccuppannanti (sya-all, km)

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they don’t answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer without analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer without a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they don’t set it aside, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer after analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer with a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they set it aside, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ṭhapeti → thapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na thapeti (mr)Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti.

When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they don’t answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer without analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer without a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they don’t set it aside, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.

Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *

When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer after analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer with a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they set it aside, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they don’t answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer without analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer without a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they don’t set it aside, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ na paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na ṭhapeti → thapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ na thapeti (mr)When an individual is asked a question, if it needs to be answered categorically and they answer it categorically; or if it needs analysis and they answer after analyzing it; or if it needs a counter-question and they answer with a counter-question; or if it should be set aside and they set it aside, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ekaṁsabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ ekaṁsena byākaroti, vibhajjabyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ vibhajja byākaroti, paṭipucchābyākaraṇīyaṁ pañhaṁ paṭipucchā byākaroti, ṭhapanīyaṁ pañhaṁ ṭhapeti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they’re not consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they are consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne na saṇṭhāti parikappe na saṇṭhāti aññātavāde na saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya na saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *aññātavāde → aññavāde (bj, sya-all, km, pts1ed); aññātavāre (mr)Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne saṇṭhāti parikappe saṇṭhāti aññātavāde saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti.

When an individual is asked a question, if they’re not consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.

Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne na saṇṭhāti parikappe na saṇṭhāti aññātavāde na saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya na saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *

When an individual is asked a question, if they are consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne saṇṭhāti parikappe saṇṭhāti aññātavāde saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. When an individual is asked a question, if they’re not consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne na saṇṭhāti parikappe na saṇṭhāti aññātavāde na saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya na saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *aññātavāde → aññavāde (bj, sya-all, km, pts1ed); aññātavāre (mr)When an individual is asked a question, if they are consistent about what their position is and what it isn’t; about what they propose; about speaking from what they know; and about the appropriate procedure, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno ṭhānāṭhāne saṇṭhāti parikappe saṇṭhāti aññātavāde saṇṭhāti paṭipadāya saṇṭhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they dodge the issue; distract the discussion with irrelevant points; or display annoyance, hate, and bitterness, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they don’t dodge the issue; distract the discussion with irrelevant points; or display annoyance, hate, and bitterness, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati, bahiddhā kathaṁ apanāmeti, kopañca dosañca appaccayañca pātukaroti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno na aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati na bahiddhā kathaṁ apanāmeti, na kopañca dosañca appaccayañca pātukaroti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti.

When an individual is asked a question, if they dodge the issue; distract the discussion with irrelevant points; or display annoyance, hate, and bitterness, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.

Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati, bahiddhā kathaṁ apanāmeti, kopañca dosañca appaccayañca pātukaroti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti.

When an individual is asked a question, if they don’t dodge the issue; distract the discussion with irrelevant points; or display annoyance, hate, and bitterness, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno na aññenaññaṁ paṭicarati na bahiddhā kathaṁ apanāmeti, na kopañca dosañca appaccayañca pātukaroti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.When an individual is asked a question, if they don’t intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno abhiharati abhimaddati anupajagghati khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *anupajagghati → anusaṁjagghati (mr)Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno nābhiharati nābhimaddati na anupajagghati na khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti.

When an individual is asked a question, if they intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.

Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno abhiharati abhimaddati anupajagghati khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *

When an individual is asked a question, if they don’t intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.

Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno nābhiharati nābhimaddati na anupajagghati na khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual is competent to hold a discussion by seeing how they take part in a discussion.Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā kaccho yadi vā akacchoti. When an individual is asked a question, if they intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is not competent to hold a discussion.Sacāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno abhiharati abhimaddati anupajagghati khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo akaccho hoti. *anupajagghati → anusaṁjagghati (mr)When an individual is asked a question, if they don’t intimidate, crush, mock, or seize on trivial mistakes, then that individual is competent to hold a discussion.Sace panāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo pañhaṁ puṭṭho samāno nābhiharati nābhimaddati na anupajagghati na khalitaṁ gaṇhāti, evaṁ santāyaṁ, bhikkhave, puggalo kaccho hoti.

You can know whether or not an individual has what’s required by seeing how they take part in a discussion.If they actively listen they have what’s required; if they don’t actively listen they don’t have what’s required.Someone who has what’s required directly knows one thing, completely understands one thing, gives up one thing, and realizes one thing—and then they experience complete freedom.This is the purpose of discussion,consultation,sitting close,and listening well, that is, the liberation of the mind by not grasping.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā saupaniso yadi vā anupanisoti. Anohitasoto, bhikkhave, anupaniso hoti, ohitasoto saupaniso hoti. So saupaniso samāno abhijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahati ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaroti ekaṁ dhammaṁ. So abhijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaronto ekaṁ dhammaṁ sammāvimuttiṁ phusati. Etadatthā, bhikkhave, kathā; etadatthā mantanā; etadatthā upanisā; etadatthaṁ sotāvadhānaṁ, yadidaṁ anupādā cittassa vimokkhoti.

You can know whether or not an individual has what’s required by seeing how they take part in a discussion.

Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā saupaniso yadi vā anupanisoti.

If they actively listen they have what’s required; if they don’t actively listen they don’t have what’s required.

Anohitasoto, bhikkhave, anupaniso hoti, ohitasoto saupaniso hoti.

Someone who has what’s required directly knows one thing, completely understands one thing, gives up one thing, and realizes one thing—

So saupaniso samāno abhijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahati ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaroti ekaṁ dhammaṁ.

and then they experience complete freedom.

So abhijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaronto ekaṁ dhammaṁ sammāvimuttiṁ phusati.

This is the purpose of discussion,

Etadatthā, bhikkhave, kathā;

consultation,

etadatthā mantanā;

sitting close,

etadatthā upanisā;

and listening well, that is, the liberation of the mind by not grasping.

etadatthaṁ sotāvadhānaṁ, yadidaṁ anupādā cittassa vimokkhoti.

You can know whether or not an individual has what’s required by seeing how they take part in a discussion.Kathāsampayogena, bhikkhave, puggalo veditabbo yadi vā saupaniso yadi vā anupanisoti. If they actively listen they have what’s required; if they don’t actively listen they don’t have what’s required.Anohitasoto, bhikkhave, anupaniso hoti, ohitasoto saupaniso hoti. Someone who has what’s required directly knows one thing, completely understands one thing, gives up one thing, and realizes one thing—So saupaniso samāno abhijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānāti ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahati ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaroti ekaṁ dhammaṁ. and then they experience complete freedom.So abhijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, parijānanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, pajahanto ekaṁ dhammaṁ, sacchikaronto ekaṁ dhammaṁ sammāvimuttiṁ phusati. This is the purpose of discussion,Etadatthā, bhikkhave, kathā; consultation,etadatthā mantanā; sitting close,etadatthā upanisā; and listening well, that is, the liberation of the mind by not grasping.etadatthaṁ sotāvadhānaṁ, yadidaṁ anupādā cittassa vimokkhoti.

Those who converse with hostility,too sure of themselves, arrogant,ignoble, attacking virtues,they look for flaws in each other.

Ye viruddhā sallapanti, viniviṭṭhā samussitā; Anariyaguṇamāsajja, aññoññavivaresino.

Those who converse with hostility,

Ye viruddhā sallapanti,

too sure of themselves, arrogant,

viniviṭṭhā samussitā;

ignoble, attacking virtues,

Anariyaguṇamāsajja,

they look for flaws in each other.

aññoññavivaresino.

Those who converse with hostility,Ye viruddhā sallapanti, too sure of themselves, arrogant,viniviṭṭhā samussitā; ignoble, attacking virtues,Anariyaguṇamāsajja, they look for flaws in each other.aññoññavivaresino.

They rejoice together when their opponentspeaks poorly and makes a mistake,becoming confused and defeated—but the noble ones don’t discuss like this.

Dubbhāsitaṁ vikkhalitaṁ, sampamohaṁ parājayaṁ; *sampamohaṁ → sasammohaṁ (mr)Aññoññassābhinandanti, tadariyo kathanācare. *tadariyo kathanācare → tadariyo na kathaṁ vade (mr)

They rejoice together when their opponent

Dubbhāsitaṁ vikkhalitaṁ,

speaks poorly and makes a mistake,

sampamohaṁ parājayaṁ; *

becoming confused and defeated—

Aññoññassābhinandanti,

but the noble ones don’t discuss like this.

tadariyo kathanācare. *

They rejoice together when their opponentDubbhāsitaṁ vikkhalitaṁ, speaks poorly and makes a mistake,sampamohaṁ parājayaṁ; *sampamohaṁ → sasammohaṁ (mr)becoming confused and defeated—Aññoññassābhinandanti, but the noble ones don’t discuss like this.tadariyo kathanācare. *tadariyo kathanācare → tadariyo na kathaṁ vade (mr)

If an astute person wants to hold a discussionconnected with the teaching and its meaning—the kind of discussion that noble ones hold—then that wise one should start the discussion,

Sace cassa kathākāmo, kālamaññāya paṇḍito; Dhammaṭṭhapaṭisaṁyuttā, yā ariyacaritā kathā. *ariyacaritā → ariyācaritā (bj); ariyañcaritā (si); ariyādikā (mr)

If an astute person wants to hold a discussion

Sace cassa kathākāmo,

connected with the teaching and its meaning—

kālamaññāya paṇḍito;

the kind of discussion that noble ones hold—

Dhammaṭṭhapaṭisaṁyuttā,

then that wise one should start the discussion,

yā ariyacaritā kathā. *

If an astute person wants to hold a discussionSace cassa kathākāmo, connected with the teaching and its meaning—kālamaññāya paṇḍito; the kind of discussion that noble ones hold—Dhammaṭṭhapaṭisaṁyuttā, then that wise one should start the discussion,yā ariyacaritā kathā. *ariyacaritā → ariyācaritā (bj); ariyañcaritā (si); ariyādikā (mr)

knowing when the time is right,neither hostile nor arrogant.Not over-excited,contemptuous, or aggressive,

Taṁ kathaṁ kathaye dhīro, aviruddho anussito; Anunnatena manasā, apaḷāso asāhaso.

knowing when the time is right,

Taṁ kathaṁ kathaye dhīro,

neither hostile nor arrogant.

aviruddho anussito;

Not over-excited,

Anunnatena manasā,

contemptuous, or aggressive,

apaḷāso asāhaso.

knowing when the time is right,Taṁ kathaṁ kathaye dhīro, neither hostile nor arrogant.aviruddho anussito; Not over-excited,Anunnatena manasā, contemptuous, or aggressive,apaḷāso asāhaso.

or with a mind full of jealousy,they’d speak from what they rightly know.They agree with what was well spoken,without criticizing what was poorly said.

Anusūyāyamāno so, *Anusūyāyamāno → anusuyyāyamāno (bj); anusuyyamāno (sya-all)sammadaññāya bhāsati; Subhāsitaṁ anumodeyya, dubbhaṭṭhe nāpasādaye. *nāpasādaye → nāvasādaye (bj, pts1ed)

or with a mind full of jealousy,

Anusūyāyamāno so, *

they’d speak from what they rightly know.

sammadaññāya bhāsati;

They agree with what was well spoken,

Subhāsitaṁ anumodeyya,

without criticizing what was poorly said.

dubbhaṭṭhe nāpasādaye. *

or with a mind full of jealousy,Anusūyāyamāno so, *Anusūyāyamāno → anusuyyāyamāno (bj); anusuyyamāno (sya-all)they’d speak from what they rightly know.sammadaññāya bhāsati; They agree with what was well spoken,Subhāsitaṁ anumodeyya, without criticizing what was poorly said.dubbhaṭṭhe nāpasādaye. *nāpasādaye → nāvasādaye (bj, pts1ed)

They’d not persist in finding faults,nor seize on trivial mistakes,neither intimidating nor crushing the other,nor would they speak suggestively.

Upārambhaṁ na sikkheyya, khalitañca na gāhaye; *na gāhaye → na bhāsaye (mr)Nābhihare nābhimadde, na vācaṁ payutaṁ bhaṇe.

They’d not persist in finding faults,

Upārambhaṁ na sikkheyya,

nor seize on trivial mistakes,

khalitañca na gāhaye; *

neither intimidating nor crushing the other,

Nābhihare nābhimadde,

nor would they speak suggestively.

na vācaṁ payutaṁ bhaṇe.

They’d not persist in finding faults,Upārambhaṁ na sikkheyya, nor seize on trivial mistakes,khalitañca na gāhaye; *na gāhaye → na bhāsaye (mr)neither intimidating nor crushing the other,Nābhihare nābhimadde, nor would they speak suggestively.na vācaṁ payutaṁ bhaṇe.

Good people consultfor the sake of knowledge and clarity.That’s how the noble ones consult,this is a noble consultation.Knowing this, an intelligent personwould consult without arrogance.”

Aññātatthaṁ pasādatthaṁ, sataṁ ve hoti mantanā; Evaṁ kho ariyā mantenti, esā ariyāna mantanā; Etadaññāya medhāvī, na samusseyya mantaye”ti.

Good people consult

Aññātatthaṁ pasādatthaṁ,

for the sake of knowledge and clarity.

sataṁ ve hoti mantanā;

That’s how the noble ones consult,

Evaṁ kho ariyā mantenti,

this is a noble consultation.

esā ariyāna mantanā;

Knowing this, an intelligent person

Etadaññāya medhāvī,

would consult without arrogance.”

na samusseyya mantaye”ti.

Good people consultAññātatthaṁ pasādatthaṁ, for the sake of knowledge and clarity.sataṁ ve hoti mantanā; That’s how the noble ones consult,Evaṁ kho ariyā mantenti, this is a noble consultation.esā ariyāna mantanā; Knowing this, an intelligent personEtadaññāya medhāvī, would consult without arrogance.”na samusseyya mantaye”ti.

Sattamaṁ.