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2. Without Schism

Schism

Khuddaka Nikāya
2. Abhejjavagga
Abhejjaparisapañha
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Abhejjaparisapañha
Ruta suttaMil 5.2.8Sutta Piṭaka›Khuddaka Nikāya›Milindapañha›5. Meṇḍakapañha›2. Abhejjavagga›Abhejjaparisapañha
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Questions of King Milinda
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PTS cs 31 ‘Venerable Nāgasena, your people say: “The Tathāgata is a person whose following can never be broken up.” And again they say: “At one stroke Devadatta seduced five hundred of the brethren.” If the first be true the second is false, but if the second be correct then the first is wrong. PTS vp Pali 161 This too is a double-pointed problem, profound, hard to unravel, more knotty than a knot. By it these people are veiled, obstructed, hindered, shut in, and enveloped. Herein show your skill as against the arguments of the adversaries.’

PTS cs 32 ‘Both statements, O king, are correct. But the latter is owing to the power of the breach maker. Where there is one to make the breach, a mother will be separated from her son, and the son will break with the mother, or the father with the son and the son with the father, or the brother from the sister and the sister from the brother, or friend from friend. A ship pieced together with timber of all sorts is broken up by the force of the violence of the waves, and a tree in full bearing and full of sap is broken down by the force of the violence of the wind, and gold of the finest sort is divided by PTS vp En 228 bronze. But it is not the intention of the wise, it is not the will of the Buddhas, it is not the desire of those who are learned that the following of the Tathāgata should be broken up. And there is a special sense in which it is said that that cannot be. It is an unheard-of thing, so far as I know, that his following could be broken up by anything done or taken, any unkindly word, any wrong action, any injustice, in all the conduct, wheresoever or whatsoever, of the Tathāgata himself. In that sense his following is invulnerable. And you yourself, do you know of any instance in all the ninefold word of the Buddha of anything done by a Bodisat which broke up the following of the Tathāgata?’

‘No, Sir. Such a thing has never been seen or heard in the world. It is very good, Nāgasena, what you say: and I accept it so.’

Here ends the dilemma as to schism.

Here ends the Second Chapter.

“Bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti, puna ca bhaṇatha—‘devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānī’ti. Yadi, bhante nāgasena, tathāgato abhejjapariso, tena hi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānīti yaṁ vacanaṁ, taṁ micchā. Yadi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tena hi ‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti tampi vacanaṁ micchā. Ayampi ubhato koṭiko pañho tavānuppatto, gambhīro dunniveṭhiyo, gaṇṭhitopi gaṇṭhitaro, etthāyaṁ jano āvaṭo nivuto ovuto pihito pariyonaddho, ettha tava ñāṇabalaṁ dassehi paravādesū”ti.

“Bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—
‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti, puna ca bhaṇatha—
‘devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānī’ti.
Yadi, bhante nāgasena, tathāgato abhejjapariso, tena hi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānīti yaṁ vacanaṁ, taṁ micchā.
Yadi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tena hi ‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti tampi vacanaṁ micchā.
Ayampi ubhato koṭiko pañho tavānuppatto, gambhīro dunniveṭhiyo, gaṇṭhitopi gaṇṭhitaro, etthāyaṁ jano āvaṭo nivuto ovuto pihito pariyonaddho, ettha tava ñāṇabalaṁ dassehi paravādesū”ti.

“Bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti, puna ca bhaṇatha—‘devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānī’ti. Yadi, bhante nāgasena, tathāgato abhejjapariso, tena hi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnānīti yaṁ vacanaṁ, taṁ micchā. Yadi devadattena ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tena hi ‘tathāgato abhejjapariso’ti tampi vacanaṁ micchā. Ayampi ubhato koṭiko pañho tavānuppatto, gambhīro dunniveṭhiyo, gaṇṭhitopi gaṇṭhitaro, etthāyaṁ jano āvaṭo nivuto ovuto pihito pariyonaddho, ettha tava ñāṇabalaṁ dassehi paravādesū”ti.

“Abhejjapariso, mahārāja, tathāgato, devadattena ca ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tañca pana bhedakassa balena, bhedake vijjamāne natthi, mahārāja, abhejjaṁ nāma. Bhedake sati mātāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi mātarā bhijjati, pitāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi pitarā bhijjati, bhātāpi bhaginiyā bhijjati, bhaginīpi bhātarā bhijjati, sahāyopi sahāyena bhijjati, nāvāpi nānādārusaṅghaṭitā ūmivegasampahārena bhijjati, rukkhopi madhukappasampannaphalo anilabalavegābhihato bhijjati, suvaṇṇampi jātimantaṁ lohena bhijjati.*jātimantaṁ → jātarūpampi (si, maku); jātivantaṁ (pts-vp-pli1)Api ca, mahārāja, neso adhippāyo viññūnaṁ, nesā buddhānaṁ adhimutti, neso paṇḍitānaṁ chando ‘tathāgato bhejjapariso’ti. Api cettha kāraṇaṁ atthi, yena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti. Katamaṁ ettha kāraṇaṁ? Tathāgatassa, mahārāja, katena adānena vā appiyavacanena vā anatthacariyāya vā asamānattatāya vā yato kutoci cariyaṁ carantassapi parisā bhinnāti na sutapubbaṁ, tena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti. Tayāpetaṁ, mahārāja, ñātabbaṁ ‘atthi kiñci navaṅge buddhavacane suttāgataṁ, iminā nāma kāraṇena bodhisattassa katena tathāgatassa parisā bhinnā’”ti? “Natthi, bhante, no cetaṁ loke dissati nopi suyyati. Sādhu, bhante nāgasena, evametaṁ tathā sampaṭicchāmī”ti.

“Abhejjapariso, mahārāja, tathāgato, devadattena ca ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tañca pana bhedakassa balena, bhedake vijjamāne natthi, mahārāja, abhejjaṁ nāma.
Bhedake sati mātāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi mātarā bhijjati, pitāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi pitarā bhijjati, bhātāpi bhaginiyā bhijjati, bhaginīpi bhātarā bhijjati, sahāyopi sahāyena bhijjati, nāvāpi nānādārusaṅghaṭitā ūmivegasampahārena bhijjati, rukkhopi madhukappasampannaphalo anilabalavegābhihato bhijjati, suvaṇṇampi jātimantaṁ lohena bhijjati.*jātimantaṁ → jātarūpampi (si, maku); jātivantaṁ (pts-vp-pli1)
Api ca, mahārāja, neso adhippāyo viññūnaṁ, nesā buddhānaṁ adhimutti, neso paṇḍitānaṁ chando ‘tathāgato bhejjapariso’ti.
Api cettha kāraṇaṁ atthi, yena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti.
Katamaṁ ettha kāraṇaṁ?
Tathāgatassa, mahārāja, katena adānena vā appiyavacanena vā anatthacariyāya vā asamānattatāya vā yato kutoci cariyaṁ carantassapi parisā bhinnāti na sutapubbaṁ, tena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti.
Tayāpetaṁ, mahārāja, ñātabbaṁ ‘atthi kiñci navaṅge buddhavacane suttāgataṁ, iminā nāma kāraṇena bodhisattassa katena tathāgatassa parisā bhinnā’”ti?
“Natthi, bhante, no cetaṁ loke dissati nopi suyyati.
Sādhu, bhante nāgasena, evametaṁ tathā sampaṭicchāmī”ti.

“Abhejjapariso, mahārāja, tathāgato, devadattena ca ekappahāraṁ pañca bhikkhusatāni bhinnāni, tañca pana bhedakassa balena, bhedake vijjamāne natthi, mahārāja, abhejjaṁ nāma. Bhedake sati mātāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi mātarā bhijjati, pitāpi puttena bhijjati, puttopi pitarā bhijjati, bhātāpi bhaginiyā bhijjati, bhaginīpi bhātarā bhijjati, sahāyopi sahāyena bhijjati, nāvāpi nānādārusaṅghaṭitā ūmivegasampahārena bhijjati, rukkhopi madhukappasampannaphalo anilabalavegābhihato bhijjati, suvaṇṇampi jātimantaṁ lohena bhijjati.*jātimantaṁ → jātarūpampi (si, maku); jātivantaṁ (pts-vp-pli1)Api ca, mahārāja, neso adhippāyo viññūnaṁ, nesā buddhānaṁ adhimutti, neso paṇḍitānaṁ chando ‘tathāgato bhejjapariso’ti. Api cettha kāraṇaṁ atthi, yena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti. Katamaṁ ettha kāraṇaṁ? Tathāgatassa, mahārāja, katena adānena vā appiyavacanena vā anatthacariyāya vā asamānattatāya vā yato kutoci cariyaṁ carantassapi parisā bhinnāti na sutapubbaṁ, tena kāraṇena tathāgato vuccati ‘abhejjapariso’ti. Tayāpetaṁ, mahārāja, ñātabbaṁ ‘atthi kiñci navaṅge buddhavacane suttāgataṁ, iminā nāma kāraṇena bodhisattassa katena tathāgatassa parisā bhinnā’”ti? “Natthi, bhante, no cetaṁ loke dissati nopi suyyati. Sādhu, bhante nāgasena, evametaṁ tathā sampaṭicchāmī”ti.

Abhejjaparisapañho aṭṭhamo.*Abhejjaparisapañho → abhejjaparisatāpañho (bj); tathāgatassa abhejjaparisapañho (maku)

Abhejjaparisapañho aṭṭhamo.*Abhejjaparisapañho → abhejjaparisatāpañho (bj); tathāgatassa abhejjaparisapañho (maku)

Abhejjaparisapañho aṭṭhamo.*Abhejjaparisapañho → abhejjaparisatāpañho (bj); tathāgatassa abhejjaparisapañho (maku)

Abhejjavaggo dutiyo.

Abhejjavaggo dutiyo.

Abhejjavaggo dutiyo.

Imasmiṁ vagge aṭṭha pañhā.

Imasmiṁ vagge aṭṭha pañhā.

Imasmiṁ vagge aṭṭha pañhā.

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Texto original en pali: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka Buddhavasse 2500.

Datos pali, segmentación, variantes y metadatos: importados desde SuttaCentral.

Traducción al inglés: T W Rhys Davids.

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