With Upavāṇa

Then Venerable Upavāṇa went up to Venerable Sāriputta, and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, Upavāṇa sat down to one side, and said to Sāriputta:

Atha kho āyasmā upavāṇo yenāyasmā sāriputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā sāriputtena saddhiṁ sammodi. *upavāṇo → upavāno (bj)Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā upavāṇo āyasmantaṁ sāriputtaṁ etadavoca:

Then Venerable Upavāṇa went up to Venerable Sāriputta, and exchanged greetings with him.Atha kho āyasmā upavāṇo yenāyasmā sāriputto tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā sāriputtena saddhiṁ sammodi. *upavāṇo → upavāno (bj)When the greetings and polite conversation were over, Upavāṇa sat down to one side, and said to Sāriputta:Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā upavāṇo āyasmantaṁ sāriputtaṁ etadavoca:

“Reverend Sāriputta, when asked whether you become a terminator because of knowledge or conduct or knowledge and conduct, or for some other reason,you say ‘that’s not it’.How then do you become a terminator?”

“‘Kiṁ nu kho, āvuso sāriputta, vijjāyantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, caraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, vijjācaraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, aññatra vijjācaraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. Yathā kathaṁ panāvuso, antakaro hotī”ti?

“Reverend Sāriputta, when asked whether you become a terminator because of knowledge or conduct or knowledge and conduct, or for some other reason,“‘Kiṁ nu kho, āvuso sāriputta, vijjāyantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: you say ‘that’s not it’.‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, caraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, vijjācaraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. ‘Kiṁ panāvuso sāriputta, aññatra vijjācaraṇenantakaro hotī’ti, iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘no hidaṁ, āvuso’ti vadesi. How then do you become a terminator?”Yathā kathaṁ panāvuso, antakaro hotī”ti?

“Reverend, if you became a terminator because of knowledge, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.If you became a terminator because of conduct, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.If you became a terminator because of both knowledge and conduct, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.If you became a terminator for some reason other than knowledge and conduct, then even an ordinary person could be a terminator.For an ordinary person lacks knowledge and conduct.Reverend, someone lacking good conduct does not know and see things as they are.Someone accomplished in good conduct knows and sees things as they are.Knowing and seeing things as they are, one is a terminator.”

“Vijjāya ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. Caraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. Vijjācaraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. Aññatra vijjācaraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, puthujjano antakaro abhavissa. Puthujjano hi, āvuso, aññatra vijjācaraṇena. Caraṇavipanno kho, āvuso, yathābhūtaṁ na jānāti na passati. Caraṇasampanno yathābhūtaṁ jānāti passati. Yathābhūtaṁ jānaṁ passaṁ antakaro hotī”ti.

“Reverend, if you became a terminator because of knowledge, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.“Vijjāya ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. If you became a terminator because of conduct, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.Caraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. If you became a terminator because of both knowledge and conduct, then even someone who still grasps fuel could be a terminator.Vijjācaraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, saupādānova samāno antakaro abhavissa. If you became a terminator for some reason other than knowledge and conduct, then even an ordinary person could be a terminator.Aññatra vijjācaraṇena ce, āvuso, antakaro abhavissa, puthujjano antakaro abhavissa. For an ordinary person lacks knowledge and conduct.Puthujjano hi, āvuso, aññatra vijjācaraṇena. Reverend, someone lacking good conduct does not know and see things as they are.Caraṇavipanno kho, āvuso, yathābhūtaṁ na jānāti na passati. Someone accomplished in good conduct knows and sees things as they are.Caraṇasampanno yathābhūtaṁ jānāti passati. Knowing and seeing things as they are, one is a terminator.”Yathābhūtaṁ jānaṁ passaṁ antakaro hotī”ti.