With Sāriputta and Koṭṭhita (4th)

Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Sāriputta came out of retreat, went to Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita, and they greeted each other.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Mahākoṭṭhita:

Atha kho āyasmā sāriputto sāyanhasamayaṁ paṭisallānā vuṭṭhito yenāyasmā mahākoṭṭhiko tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā mahākoṭṭhikena saddhiṁ sammodi. Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā sāriputto āyasmantaṁ mahākoṭṭhikaṁ etadavoca:

Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Sāriputta came out of retreat, went to Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita, and they greeted each other.Atha kho āyasmā sāriputto sāyanhasamayaṁ paṭisallānā vuṭṭhito yenāyasmā mahākoṭṭhiko tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā mahākoṭṭhikena saddhiṁ sammodi. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Mahākoṭṭhita:Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā sāriputto āyasmantaṁ mahākoṭṭhikaṁ etadavoca:

“Reverend, when asked these questions, you say that this has not been declared by the BuddhaBuddhaEl nombre dado a quien redescubre por sí mismo el sendero liberador del Dhamma, tras un largo período de haber sido olvidado por el mundo. Según la tradición, una larga línea de Buddhas se extiende hasta el pasado distante. El Buddha más reciente nació como Siddhattha Gotama en la India alrededor del año 500 a.e.c. Un joven bien educado y acomodado, renunció a su familia y su herencia principesca en la flor de la vida para buscar la verdadera libertad y el fin del sufrimiento (dukkha). Después de siete años de austeridades en el bosque, redescubrió el «camino medio» y alcanzó su meta, convirtiéndose en el Buddha.Ver en el glosario.What’s the cause, what’s the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha?”

‘kiṁ panāvuso, neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘etampi kho, āvuso, abyākataṁ bhagavatā—neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti vadesi. Ko nu kho, āvuso, hetu, ko paccayo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti?

“Reverend, when asked these questions, you say that this has not been declared by the Buddha.‘kiṁ panāvuso, neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti iti puṭṭho samāno: ‘etampi kho, āvuso, abyākataṁ bhagavatā—neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti vadesi. What’s the cause, what’s the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha?”Ko nu kho, āvuso, hetu, ko paccayo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti?

“Reverend, if you like, love, and enjoy form, and don’t truly see the cessation of form, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ or‘A realized one no longer exists after death’ or‘a realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death’ or‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

“Rūpārāmassa kho, āvuso, rūparatassa rūpasammuditassa rūpanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

“Reverend, if you like, love, and enjoy form, and don’t truly see the cessation of form, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ or“Rūpārāmassa kho, āvuso, rūparatassa rūpasammuditassa rūpanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘A realized one no longer exists after death’ or‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death’ or‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you like, love, and enjoy feeling …perception …choices …consciousness, and don’t truly see the cessation of consciousness, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Vedanārāmassa kho, āvuso, vedanāratassa vedanāsammuditassa, vedanānirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… saññārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… saṅkhārārāmassa kho āvuso …pe… viññāṇārāmassa kho, āvuso, viññāṇaratassa viññāṇasammuditassa viññāṇanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you like, love, and enjoy feeling …Vedanārāmassa kho, āvuso, vedanāratassa vedanāsammuditassa, vedanānirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… perception …saññārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… choices …saṅkhārārāmassa kho āvuso …pe… consciousness, and don’t truly see the cessation of consciousness, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …viññāṇārāmassa kho, āvuso, viññāṇaratassa viññāṇasammuditassa viññāṇanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy form …feeling …perception …choices …consciousness, and you truly see the cessation of consciousness, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Na rūpārāmassa kho, āvuso, na rūparatassa na rūpasammuditassa, rūpanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti. Na vedanārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… na saññārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… na saṅkhārārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… na viññāṇārāmassa kho, āvuso, na viññāṇaratassa na viññāṇasammuditassa, viññāṇanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy form …Na rūpārāmassa kho, āvuso, na rūparatassa na rūpasammuditassa, rūpanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti. feeling …Na vedanārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… perception …na saññārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… choices …na saṅkhārārāmassa kho, āvuso …pe… consciousness, and you truly see the cessation of consciousness, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …na viññāṇārāmassa kho, āvuso, na viññāṇaratassa na viññāṇasammuditassa, viññāṇanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

“There could, reverend.If you like, love, and enjoy existence, and don’t truly see the cessation of continued existence, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’If you don’t like, love, and enjoy existence, and you truly see the cessation of continued existence, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’This too is a way of explaining why this was not declared by the Buddha.”

“Siyā, āvuso. Bhavārāmassa kho, āvuso, bhavaratassa bhavasammuditassa, bhavanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti. Na bhavārāmassa kho, āvuso, na bhavaratassa na bhavasammuditassa, bhavanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti. Ayampi kho, āvuso, pariyāyo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti.

“There could, reverend.“Siyā, āvuso. If you like, love, and enjoy existence, and don’t truly see the cessation of continued existence, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Bhavārāmassa kho, āvuso, bhavaratassa bhavasammuditassa, bhavanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti. If you don’t like, love, and enjoy existence, and you truly see the cessation of continued existence, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Na bhavārāmassa kho, āvuso, na bhavaratassa na bhavasammuditassa, bhavanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti. This too is a way of explaining why this was not declared by the Buddha.”Ayampi kho, āvuso, pariyāyo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti.

If you like, love, and enjoy grasping, and don’t truly see the cessation of grasping, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Upādānārāmassa kho, āvuso, upādānaratassa upādānasammuditassa, upādānanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you like, love, and enjoy grasping, and don’t truly see the cessation of grasping, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Upādānārāmassa kho, āvuso, upādānaratassa upādānasammuditassa, upādānanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy grasping, and you truly see the cessation of grasping, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Na upādānārāmassa kho, āvuso, na upādānaratassa na upādānasammuditassa, upādānanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva, hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy grasping, and you truly see the cessation of grasping, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Na upādānārāmassa kho, āvuso, na upādānaratassa na upādānasammuditassa, upādānanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva, hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

If you like, love, and enjoy craving, and don’t truly see the cessation of craving, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Taṇhārāmassa kho, āvuso, taṇhāratassa taṇhāsammuditassa, taṇhānirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you like, love, and enjoy craving, and don’t truly see the cessation of craving, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Taṇhārāmassa kho, āvuso, taṇhāratassa taṇhāsammuditassa, taṇhānirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy craving, and you truly see the cessation of craving, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

Na taṇhārāmassa kho, āvuso, na taṇhāratassa na taṇhāsammuditassa, taṇhānirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

If you don’t like, love, and enjoy craving, and you truly see the cessation of craving, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ …Na taṇhārāmassa kho, āvuso, na taṇhāratassa na taṇhāsammuditassa, taṇhānirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

“Seriously, reverend, what more could you want?For one who is freed due to the ending of craving, there is no cycle of rebirths to be found.”

“Ettha dāni, āvuso sāriputta, ito uttari kiṁ icchasi? Taṇhāsaṅkhayavimuttassa, āvuso sāriputta, bhikkhuno vaṭṭaṁ natthi paññāpanāyā”ti. *vaṭṭaṁ → vattaṁ (sya-all, km, mr); vaddhaṁ (pts1ed)

“Seriously, reverend, what more could you want?“Ettha dāni, āvuso sāriputta, ito uttari kiṁ icchasi? For one who is freed due to the ending of craving, there is no cycle of rebirths to be found.”Taṇhāsaṅkhayavimuttassa, āvuso sāriputta, bhikkhuno vaṭṭaṁ natthi paññāpanāyā”ti. *vaṭṭaṁ → vattaṁ (sya-all, km, mr); vaddhaṁ (pts1ed)