The Questions of Nanda

“People say there are sages in the world,” said Venerable Nanda, “but how is this the case? Is someone called a sage because of their knowledge, or because of their way of life?”

“Santi loke munayo, (iccāyasmā nando) Janā vadanti tayidaṁ kathaṁsu; Ñāṇūpapannaṁ no muniṁ vadanti, *muniṁ → muni no (sya-all, mr)Udāhu ve jīvitenūpapannaṁ”.

“People say there are sages in the world,” “Santi loke munayo, said Venerable Nanda, (iccāyasmā nando) “but how is this the case? Janā vadanti tayidaṁ kathaṁsu; Is someone called a sage because of their knowledge, Ñāṇūpapannaṁ no muniṁ vadanti, *muniṁ → muni no (sya-all, mr)or because of their way of life?” Udāhu ve jīvitenūpapannaṁ”.

“Experts do not speak of a sage in terms of *The extraneous variant reading sīlabbatena (not in the Niddesa) appears, oddly, in place of the reciter’s identification of the speaker. The parallel phrase at Snp 4.9:5.1 has it on the next line.view, learning, or knowledge. Those who are sages live far from the crowd, I say, untroubled, with no need for hope.”

“Na diṭṭhiyā na sutiyā na ñāṇena, (…) *(…) → (na sīlabbatena) (si, sya-all, csp1ed)Munīdha nanda kusalā vadanti; Visenikatvā anīghā nirāsā, Caranti ye te munayoti brūmi”.

“Experts do not speak of a sage in terms of *The extraneous variant reading sīlabbatena (not in the Niddesa) appears, oddly, in place of the reciter’s identification of the speaker. The parallel phrase at Snp 4.9:5.1 has it on the next line.“Na diṭṭhiyā na sutiyā na ñāṇena, (…) *(…) → (na sīlabbatena) (si, sya-all, csp1ed)view, learning, or knowledge. Munīdha nanda kusalā vadanti; Those who are sages live far from the crowd, I say, Visenikatvā anīghā nirāsā, untroubled, with no need for hope.” Caranti ye te munayoti brūmi”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” said Venerable Nanda, “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, or in terms of precepts and vows, or in terms of countless different things. Living self-controlled in that matter, have they crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow? I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”

“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, (iccāyasmā nando) Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; *Diṭṭhassutenāpi → diṭṭhena sutenāpi (bj); diṭṭhe sutenāpi (sya-all, pts-vp-pli1, mr)Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ. Kaccissu te bhagavā tattha yatā carantā, Atāru jātiñca jarañca mārisa; Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” “Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, said Venerable Nanda, (iccāyasmā nando) “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; *Diṭṭhassutenāpi → diṭṭhena sutenāpi (bj); diṭṭhe sutenāpi (sya-all, pts-vp-pli1, mr)or in terms of precepts and vows, Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, or in terms of countless different things. Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ. Living self-controlled in that matter, Kaccissu te bhagavā tattha yatā carantā, have they crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow? Atāru jātiñca jarañca mārisa; I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.” Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” replied the BuddhaBuddhaEl nombre dado a quien redescubre por sí mismo el sendero liberador del Dhamma, tras un largo período de haber sido olvidado por el mundo. Según la tradición, una larga línea de Buddhas se extiende hasta el pasado distante. El Buddha más reciente nació como Siddhattha Gotama en la India alrededor del año 500 a.e.c. Un joven bien educado y acomodado, renunció a su familia y su herencia principesca en la flor de la vida para buscar la verdadera libertad y el fin del sufrimiento (dukkha). Después de siete años de austeridades en el bosque, redescubrió el «camino medio» y alcanzó su meta, convirtiéndose en el Buddha.Ver en el glosario, “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, or in terms of precepts and vows, or in terms of countless different things. Even though they live self-controlled in that matter, they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.”

“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, (nandāti bhagavā) Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ; Kiñcāpi te tattha yatā caranti, Nātariṁsu jātijaranti brūmi”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” “Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, replied the Buddha, (nandāti bhagavā) “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; or in terms of precepts and vows, Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, or in terms of countless different things. Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ; Even though they live self-controlled in that matter, Kiñcāpi te tattha yatā caranti, they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.” Nātariṁsu jātijaranti brūmi”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” said Venerable Nanda, “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, or in terms of precepts and vows, or in terms of countless different things. You say they have not crossed the flood, sage. So who then in the world of gods and humans has crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow? I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”

“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, (iccāyasmā nando) Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ. Te ce muni brūsi anoghatiṇṇe, *muni → sace muni (si, pts-vp-pli1); te ce munī (cnd5:439 [Pucchāniddesa/ Nandamāṇavapucchāniddesa])Atha ko carahi devamanussaloke; Atāri jātiñca jarañca mārisa, Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,” “Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, said Venerable Nanda, (iccāyasmā nando) “who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard, Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ; or in terms of precepts and vows, Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ, or in terms of countless different things. Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ. You say they have not crossed the flood, sage. Te ce muni brūsi anoghatiṇṇe, *muni → sace muni (si, pts-vp-pli1); te ce munī (cnd5:439 [Pucchāniddesa/ Nandamāṇavapucchāniddesa])So who then in the world of gods and humans Atha ko carahi devamanussaloke; has crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow? Atāri jātiñca jarañca mārisa, I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.” Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.

“I don’t say that all ascetics and brahmins,” replied the Buddha, “are shrouded by rebirth and old age. There are those here who have given up all that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows, who have given up all the countless different things. Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements, those people, I say, have crossed the flood.”

“Nāhaṁ sabbe samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, (nandāti bhagavā) Jātijarāya nivutāti brūmi; Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā, Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ. Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ, Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse; Te ve narā oghatiṇṇāti brūmi”.

“I don’t say that all ascetics and brahmins,” “Nāhaṁ sabbe samaṇabrāhmaṇāse, replied the Buddha, (nandāti bhagavā) “are shrouded by rebirth and old age. Jātijarāya nivutāti brūmi; There are those here who have given up all Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā, that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows, Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ. who have given up all the countless different things. Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ, Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements, Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse; those people, I say, have crossed the flood.” Te ve narā oghatiṇṇāti brūmi”.

“I rejoice in the words of the great seer! You have expounded non-attachment well, Gotama. There are those here who have given up all that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows, who have given up all the countless different things. Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements, those people, I agree, have crossed the flood.”

“Etābhinandāmi vaco mahesino, Sukittitaṁ gotamanūpadhīkaṁ; Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā, Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ. Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ, Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse; Ahampi te oghatiṇṇāti brūmī”ti.

“I rejoice in the words of the great seer! “Etābhinandāmi vaco mahesino, You have expounded non-attachment well, Gotama. Sukittitaṁ gotamanūpadhīkaṁ; There are those here who have given up all Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā, that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows, Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ. who have given up all the countless different things. Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ, Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements, Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse; those people, I agree, have crossed the flood.” Ahampi te oghatiṇṇāti brūmī”ti.