PTS cs 4 The king said: ‘You (Buddhists) say thus: “The fire of purgatory is very much more fierce than an ordinary fire. A small stone cast into an ordinary fire may smoke for a day without being destroyed; but a rock as big as an upper chamber cast into the furnace of purgatory would be that moment destroyed.” That is a statement I cannot believe. Now, on the other hand you say thus: “Whatsoever beings are there reborn, though they PTS vp En 104 burn for hundreds of thousands of years in purgatory, yet are they not destroyed.” That too is a statement I don’t believe.’
The Elder said: ‘Now what do you think, O king? Do not the females of sharks and crocodiles and tortoises and peacocks and pigeons eat hard bits of stone and gravel?’
‘Yes, Sir. They do.’
‘What then? Are these hard things, when they have got into the stomach, into the interior of the abdomen, destroyed?’
‘Yes, they are destroyed.’
‘And the embryo that may be inside the same animals—is that too destroyed?’
‘Certainly not.’
‘But why not.’
‘I suppose, Sir, it escapes destruction by the influence of Karma.’
‘Just so, great king, it is through the influence of Karma that beings, though they have been for thousands of years in purgatory, are not destroyed. If they are reborn there, there do they grow up, and there do they die. For this, O king, has been declared by the Blessed One: “He does not die until that evil Karma is exhausted.”
‘Give me a further illustration.’ PTS vp En 105
‘Now what do you think, O king? Do not the females of lions and tigers and panthers and dogs eat hard bits of bone and flesh?’
‘Yes, they eat such things.’
‘What then? are such hard things, PTS vp Pali 68 when they have got into the stomach, into the interior of the abdomen, destroyed?’
‘Yes, they are destroyed?’
‘And the embryo that may be inside the same animals—is that too destroyed?’
‘Certainly not.’
‘But why not?’
‘I suppose, Sir, it escapes destruction by the influence of Karma.’
‘Just so, great king, it is by the influence of Karma that beings in purgatory, though they burn for thousands of years, are not destroyed.’
‘Give me a further illustration.’
‘Now what do you think, O king? Do not the tender women—wives of the Yonakas, and nobles, and brahmins, and householders—eat hard cakes and meat.
‘Yes, they eat such hard things.’
‘And when those hard things have got into the stomach, into the interior of the abdomen, are not they destroyed?’
‘Yes, they are.’
‘But the children in their womb—are they destroyed?’
‘Certainly not.’
‘And why not?’
‘I suppose, Sir, they escape destruction by the influence of Karma?’
‘Just so, great king, it is through the influence PTS vp En 106 of Karma that beings in purgatory, though they burn for thousands of years, yet are they not destroyed, If they are reborn there, there do they grow up, and there do they die. For this, O king, has been declared by the Blessed One: “He does not die until that evil Karma is exhausted.”’
‘Very good, Nāgasena!’
6. Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañha
6. Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañha
6. Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañha
Rājā āha—“bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—‘pākatikaaggito nerayiko aggi mahābhitāpataro hoti, khuddakopi pāsāṇo pākatike aggimhi pakkhitto divasampi paccamāno na vilayaṁ gacchati, kūṭāgāramattopi pāsāṇo nerayikaggimhi pakkhitto khaṇena vilayaṁ gacchatī’ti, etaṁ vacanaṁ na saddahāmi, evañca pana vadetha ‘ye ca tattha uppannā sattā, te anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī’ti, tampi vacanaṁ na saddahāmī”ti. *paccamāno → dhayhamāno (bj); dhamamāno (pts-vp-pli1)
“bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—
‘pākatikaaggito nerayiko aggi mahābhitāpataro hoti, khuddakopi pāsāṇo pākatike aggimhi pakkhitto divasampi paccamāno na vilayaṁ gacchati, kūṭāgāramattopi pāsāṇo nerayikaggimhi pakkhitto khaṇena vilayaṁ gacchatī’ti, etaṁ vacanaṁ na saddahāmi, evañca pana vadetha ‘ye ca tattha uppannā sattā, te anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī’ti, tampi vacanaṁ na saddahāmī”ti. *paccamāno → dhayhamāno (bj); dhamamāno (pts-vp-pli1)
Rājā āha—“bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha—‘pākatikaaggito nerayiko aggi mahābhitāpataro hoti, khuddakopi pāsāṇo pākatike aggimhi pakkhitto divasampi paccamāno na vilayaṁ gacchati, kūṭāgāramattopi pāsāṇo nerayikaggimhi pakkhitto khaṇena vilayaṁ gacchatī’ti, etaṁ vacanaṁ na saddahāmi, evañca pana vadetha ‘ye ca tattha uppannā sattā, te anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī’ti, tampi vacanaṁ na saddahāmī”ti. *paccamāno → dhayhamāno (bj); dhamamāno (pts-vp-pli1)
Thero āha—“taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi makariniyopi susumāriniyopi kacchapiniyopi moriniyopi kapotiniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni pāsāṇāni sakkharāyo ca khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi makariniyopi susumāriniyopi kacchapiniyopi moriniyopi kapotiniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni pāsāṇāni sakkharāyo ca khādantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti.
“Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti?
“Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti.
“Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti.
Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—
‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
Thero āha—“taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi makariniyopi susumāriniyopi kacchapiniyopi moriniyopi kapotiniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni pāsāṇāni sakkharāyo ca khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi sīhiniyopi byagghiniyopi dīpiniyopi kukkuriniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni aṭṭhikāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti.
“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi sīhiniyopi byagghiniyopi dīpiniyopi kukkuriniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni aṭṭhikāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti.
“Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti?
“Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti.
“Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi sīhiniyopi byagghiniyopi dīpiniyopi kukkuriniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni aṭṭhikāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi yonakasukhumāliniyopi khattiyasukhumāliniyopi brāhmaṇasukhumāliniyopi gahapatisukhumāliniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni khajjakāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti.
“Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi yonakasukhumāliniyopi khattiyasukhumāliniyopi brāhmaṇasukhumāliniyopi gahapatisukhumāliniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni khajjakāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti.
“Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti?
“Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti?
“Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti.
“Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti.
Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—
‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi yonakasukhumāliniyopi khattiyasukhumāliniyopi brāhmaṇasukhumāliniyopi gahapatisukhumāliniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni khajjakāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā—‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Kallosi, bhante nāgasenā”ti.
“Kallosi, bhante nāgasenā”ti.
“Kallosi, bhante nāgasenā”ti.
Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho chaṭṭho. *Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho → pakatiaggito nerayaggīnaṁ uṇhakārapañho (maku)
Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho chaṭṭho. *Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho → pakatiaggito nerayaggīnaṁ uṇhakārapañho (maku)
Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho chaṭṭho. *Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho → pakatiaggito nerayaggīnaṁ uṇhakārapañho (maku)